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Post by Terry on Jun 7, 2008 18:31:52 GMT
OK, I'll repeat it in case you guys have not noticed the caps: Spoilers Ahead. You better consider yourself warned and have read 2.11, is all I can say.
So, with the latest episode of this series has been brought to our knowledge a big part of Abigail Morgan a.k.a Madame Executive's life. But as she said herself, there is more to it: that's another story.
What is this story? There is no doubt that our little Miss Badass is the former Flame-Dancer that Aleisha from The Academy refered to when Candice was brought into her new "family". So is Arcas somewhat linked to her? Was he her Protector, was she his Trustee?
I personally think that Abigail took as much knowledge as she could from The Academy, before turning her back to it and "going over to the Dark Side."
Also, is there any slight chance of redemption for her? It's obvious that she's only on a rampage trip for the Charmed Ones, blinded by her own losses into making people pay for them. Will she realize how wrong she is in time? Or go to the very end of her plan to make they pay for a crime they know nothing about? Only Reyn knows for now, but I like to think that the überly generous and kind persona that she were up until one year ago still has some say in this. (c.f. her reaction to learning dear old Callia was no more...)
Your thoughts now!
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Post by Reyn on Jun 8, 2008 2:31:51 GMT
What is this story? There is no doubt that our little Miss Badass is the former Flame-Dancer that Aleisha from The Academy refered to when Candice was brought into her new "family". So is Arcas somewhat linked to her? Was he her Protector, was she his Trustee? All of these questions will be answered in the season finale, and will be hinted at in the epsidoes leading up to the finale. The Academy is definitely featured in Abigail's past - and this will be further explored in "Higher Learning". Is Arcas linked to Abigail? Perhaps! Perhaps not  I will say that there is another person who is more closely linked to Abigail, however. We'll meet them soon. As to Madame E's possible redemption - that's always on the cards. Although she's done some horrible things, she isn't past the point of no return, and until she gets there, there's always a chance she can reform. Not a big chance, but a chance none-the-less! |
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Post by Phoenixlighter on Jul 4, 2008 22:33:05 GMT
I'll admit, my most disappointing part about 'Origins" was that I was expecting to see the Academy. I wanted to see the allure of Abigail in one of those white dresses, walking around the Academy and actually making nice with the other girls. I hope we get to see those scenes play out as opposed to M.E just saying it.
Also, I love her relationship with the Suit and how much she has him whipped, lol. One thing I've always wondered is why do we only see one Suit now. Didn't we see more in the premiere itself?
My view on Abby's redemption - I don't think so. Her turning good next season would be a huge disappointment in my eyes, although it will be really really hard for me to watch her get blown up. I'm both eager and terrified of seeing her vanquished. Ehh.
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Post by Reyn on Jul 5, 2008 6:13:11 GMT
I'll admit, my most disappointing part about 'Origins" was that I was expecting to see the Academy. I wanted to see the allure of Abigail in one of those white dresses, walking around the Academy and actually making nice with the other girls. I hope we get to see those scenes play out as opposed to M.E just saying it. I have plans to show those scenes during the season finale, which will for the most part chronicle Madame E's time from when she found out she was magical to her fall from grace and eventual collusion with demons. I'm thinking I will make that a special 2 hour finale, depending on how much content I need to cover  Also, I love her relationship with the Suit and how much she has him whipped, lol. One thing I've always wondered is why do we only see one Suit now. Didn't we see more in the premiere itself? There were indeed several suits shown during the Premiere - however the other Suits (whilst they are all the same 'species') aren't as high up in the hierarchy as the main Suit, who acts as their leader. So for the most part we don't see them as they are off screen carrying out his orders. When the main Suit needs them, though, they are there, and they will make a reappearance very soon. My view on Abby's redemption - I don't think so. Her turning good next season would be a huge disappointment in my eyes, although it will be really really hard for me to watch her get blown up. I'm both eager and terrified of seeing her vanquished. Ehh. I have an ending planned for Madame E that I hope will do justice to her character. Whether she turns good or is vanquished (or something else entirely happens to her), her sendoff will certainly be one to remember. A memorable writeoff for a memorable character, I think |
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Post by Brando on Feb 21, 2009 19:56:17 GMT
I'm wondering if the confrontation with the Charmed Ones starts out with her pretending to be an innocent or something so they let her into their lives or something. That's just a rough speculation.
However I'm very interested to learn how Arcas is connected and definitely can't wait to see who is really close to her.
In all honesty, I kind of hope that she is redeemed because it would make a better ending than just a vanquish... but the season isnt over yet so I bet by the season's end she'll have inflicted even more damage to make me wish death upon her.
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Post by Reyn on Feb 24, 2009 8:36:00 GMT
I'm wondering if the confrontation with the Charmed Ones starts out with her pretending to be an innocent or something so they let her into their lives or something. That's just a rough speculation. I think your rough speculation is quite accurate, in so much that the Charmed Ones will not know Madame E is Madame E when they come face to face with one another. However I'm very interested to learn how Arcas is connected and definitely can't wait to see who is really close to her. Arcas is such a fun character! One we'll get to know a little better in the upcoming episodes. As he knows Madame E personally, it will be interesting to see his reaction when he realises what she's been up to in the past 8 months. In all honesty, I kind of hope that she is redeemed because it would make a better ending than just a vanquish... but the season isnt over yet so I bet by the season's end she'll have inflicted even more damage to make me wish death upon her. I will say that Madame E will not be vanquished by the season end. Any more than that, you'll have to pry out of me - or at least buy me a shiny trinket! |
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Post by Terry on Oct 4, 2009 23:06:36 GMT
Is that shiny enough ? Now can I know what'll happen to M.E. ;D  More seriously, now that her associate is in town, and about to be sent to duty, I wonder what will happen to the sisters... |
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Post by Reyn on Oct 5, 2009 6:43:27 GMT
Quite shiny! As to Madame E's fate: She meets Candice for the first time, falls helplessly in love with her, does some soul searching and realises the path she is on is a destructive one and with Candice's unconditional love and support changes her ways. She moves in to The Academy, and everyone around them enjoys making witty references like 'boy, isn't it hot in here', or 'those two totally lit one another's fire' or 'they really burn for eachother'. Cassandra, meanwhile, becomes jealous of all the attention given to Abigail, and as a result she leaves and moves in with Phoebe, and the two bond over their affection for Arcas* About the Associate - I should say that one of her associates is in town. There's another creature that she'll be using with Kessler - as part of a two-pronged attack. You'll see this creature in 2.15 *Stranger things have happened |
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Post by Terry on Oct 5, 2009 10:23:23 GMT
Quite shiny! As to Madame E's fate: She meets Candice for the first time, falls helplessly in love with her, does some soul searching and realises the path she is on is a destructive one and with Candice's unconditional love and support changes her ways. She moves in to The Academy, and everyone around them enjoys making witty references like 'boy, isn't it hot in here', or 'those two totally lit one another's fire' or 'they really burn for eachother'. Cassandra, meanwhile, becomes jealous of all the attention given to Abigail, and as a result she leaves and moves in with Phoebe, and the two bond over their affection for Arcas* About the Associate - I should say that one of her associates is in town. There's another creature that she'll be using with Kessler - as part of a two-pronged attack. You'll see this creature in 2.15 *Stranger things have happenedROFL! (nearly quite so to speak lol) Alrighty, a little scheming ahead, then :-) I don't like Kessler  Feels like an evil Snake to me |
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Post by Reyn on Oct 6, 2009 7:35:48 GMT
Madame E doesn't like Kessler, either. She tolerates him for her purposes, but if she had the option not to work with him, she definitely wouldn't. Once he's been of use to her, I'd expect she'll show him exactly what she thinks of him |
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Post by Terry on Oct 6, 2009 10:55:36 GMT
Ah, good BBQed snake hide for diner, anyone? ;D |
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Post by Reyn on Oct 8, 2009 7:00:19 GMT
You never know - she just might feed him to the hounds in the Shadow Realm I think that would be infinitely more painful for him, and as a result, would be the method favored by Madame E. This is assuming, of course, that Madame E's plan to manipulate the sisters works, and Kessler's role is a success. Things might not go as smoothly as that |
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Post by Terry on Oct 8, 2009 16:01:30 GMT
Prey Hounds powaa Although indeed I would rather the plan not worked,  |
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Post by Reyn on Oct 8, 2009 17:27:32 GMT
Ahh, but if the plan doesn't work, then there's no reason to have episodes 2.22 and 2.23.
Are you saying you don't want the Darker Tomorrow episodes, terry? I should stop writing them now?
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Post by Terry on Oct 8, 2009 17:32:06 GMT
Hey, that's not fair! I was only saying Let the plan work and the girls set things right, then |
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Post by Reyn on Nov 27, 2009 14:10:13 GMT
Hey, that's not fair! I was only saying Let the plan work and the girls set things right, then Eh. I'm of the opinion that sometimes it's good for evil to triumph. Can't have happy endings all the time, right? Always a bit of room for some darker, grittier plot developments... |
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Post by Terry on Nov 27, 2009 14:41:51 GMT
Hey, that's not fair! I was only saying Let the plan work and the girls set things right, then Eh. I'm of the opinion that sometimes it's good for evil to triumph. Can't have happy endings all the time, right? Always a bit of room for some darker, grittier plot developments... Whatever works, you know? Anyway, you know you could write the sisters turn into rabbits and live unhappily ever after that I would love it so... ;D |
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I will say that there is another person who is more closely linked to Abigail, however. We'll meet them soon.
Feels like an evil Snake to me 