Season 8 General Discussion

[The Matriarch]

In season 8, a life-or-death decision forces the sisters to fake their deaths and take a young witch named Billie into their care to help them fight the evil forces that once threatened their existence so that they could maintain the 'normal' lives for which they had spent the last 7 years fighting to regain. After not being able to ignore the call of destiny the sisters resurrect themselves in order to take on their magical heritage once more. The sisters later on learn that there is a final battle on the horizon for them which in turn almost costs Leo his life & leaves the sisters to entomb him in an ice prison to keep from losing him. Billie's quest to find her kidnapped sister proves succesful but Christy is not what she pretends to be. Love is also in the air for the youngest sister as Paige takes a walk down the aisle with parole officer Henry Mitchell. As their battle nears, the Charmed Ones are saddnened to discover the evil they will have to fight to get Leo back are the Jenikins sisters & their final battle might cost them their lives.

Discuss the final season of Charmed here.

[Deleted]

I first posted my reviews of each season during S8 at a different site. My feelings for them haven't changed much in the last few years. Because they're a bit controversial and always get conversations going, I decided to post them here so here goes.

SEASON EIGHT

After watching S8, I truly wish that it had ended with S7 with the Charmed Ones and the Manor being blown to Kingdom Come, something like what happened in Kill Billie, Vol 2, but with no survivors.

Season 8 very simply sucked! All those guest stars were SOOOOOOOOOO unnecessary! Why couldn't they have used the same Angel of Destiny as they used at the end of S4, if that one was cheaper? I didn't see a single guest star who I recognized and I didn't think any of them acted very well. To not have the final season be based on the sisters and include Leo, when he was part of the show from the very start, very simply sucked! Ditto for no Darryl! He SOOOOOO should've been part of the last season; once you lost him, you lost that connection with reality which the FBI guy didn't do one single bit!

The only guest star I liked wasn't a guest star but a new regular. I *loved* Henry, but his and Paige's romance was just SOOOOOOO rushed! I wish they could've introduced *him* in S7 rather than Kyle. And the idea of Paige becoming pure whitelighter even though she was still alive thanks to those !@#$%^ Elders and moreorless making her give up her destiny as a Charmed One, as a witch? GRRRRRRRRRRRR @ Kern!

I HATED Coop! Man, he was hot, but all he did was make Phoebe even more of a Freebie/PhoeME than she was before. A self-centered Cupid?? Oh, barf! I wish they could've brought back the one from "Heartbreak City"; either that or make Billy from "Chick Flick" real; with them was when I loved Phoebs best! No wonder I love S2 so much!

And the idea that the ELDERS sent Coop to Phoebe because they thought they'd goof up her life??? And that Phoebe had never known love until she met Coop? OH, BARF!!! I wish they could've brought back Cole or Drake. Even Anton would've been better than Coop! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR @ Kern!

Like rushing Paige & Henry, it was just a way of being sure that all three sisters were married before the end of the series, with Phoebe still getting a fantasy man when what she truly needed was a hard slap of reality! I wish she'd ended up the way that Rebecca, the woman who wanted to marry a rich man on "Cheers", ended up. Rebecca ended up with a plumber. Phoebe should've ended up with a REAL handyman!

Oh, speaking of handymans, then there was Piper. Using magic for personal gain right and left and never feeling any backlash--as long as it was funny, it was OK. Constantly shoving her kids, especially fugly Chris, off on her dad (and Wyatt was easily the show-stealer!). Using Leo as her own personal errand boy rather than either helping him get his his wings back or sending him back to his own time. Then having the NERVE to cry when he's hurt and almost dies! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR @ Kern!!!!! Why couldn't Kern have shown them actually in love before that?

And worst of all, the only way that Piper would agreee to fight evil was if they'd freeze her hubby! THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR DESTINY--TO FIGHT EVIL, YOU SELFISH, SELF-CENTERED B!TCH! You did one sh!tty job of leading the Charmed Ones! Prue would be SOOOO disappointed in you!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR @ Kern!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How the higher-ups at the WB (and they were the ones who suggested it to Kern, just like they wanted the mermaid spinoff) would possibly think that we could accept a dumb blonde who dressed in faux leather and had more powers than the Charmed Ones combined, totally voiding out Melinda Warren's prophecy and even the Twice Blessed Brat's prophecy, and then make the sisters treat her as if SHE was a sister? OOOOOOOOOO! Piper and Phoebe actually accepting her better than they accepted Paige! That was enough to make me want to vomit!

I actually liked the character Christy as an evil character. I liked the Stockholm Syndrome angle and the actress did a good job. So did Kaley when she worked with her--she overacted even more than Rose did before Marinette showed up!

I didn't like the return of the Triad--Cole vanquished them, for Pete's sake; they should've been a CINCH to vanquish so how the heck could they be the Big Bad? Ditto for only showing the original Source for a single episode. The TRUE Ultimate Evil should've been the self-centered, turn-away-from-their-destiny sisters themselves and they should've either been punished or changed! (or we should've been shown the REAL Ulitmate Evil--the Kernus Demon of Discontinuity and vanquish HIM in the last episode with the longest, slowest, most painful vanquish you can possibly think of!)

The end of Kill Billie Vol 2 and Forever Charmed truly sucked! It was SOOO unrealistic, especially because Paige is the one who should've survived thanks to panic-orbing, Piper shouldn't have been able to use Coop's ring (he should've gone on the time travel trip with her, not Leo), Leo should not have been returned until after the battle was *truly* won; and Wyatt and Chris had nothing to do with the plot and were just there to make their fans happy. ANd if they were going to do that, why didn't Chris hug Leo at the end! Also...where was Henry??

The worst part of "Forever Charmed" is that it didn't leave the door open for a spinoff or a movie or anything; we know that everyone (well, at least Piper and Leo!) will live happily ever after (if Leo can live happily ever after as Piper's errand boy for the rest of his life! Or worse, be a teacher at Magic School where all of those kids could use their magic on him!), so even if they did do a movie or a spinoff, we'd know that they'd have to end up happily and there would be no suspense, just like a prequel. And don't even START me on the !@#$%^&*()_)(*&^%$#@! wall!

I truly hope that if a Charmed movie ever does come out (I don't think there ever will, but IF..), we find out that either the full season or at least "Forever Charmed" was simply Piper's delusion as she almost died and not real!

Brad Kern did a "wonderful" job of taking 3 would-be whitelighters and turning them into 3 would-be darklighters who should be burnt on the stake! Thanks, Kern! Thanks a helluva heap! Just thank God for fanfic writers and Virtual Series writers who know how to do things better!!


F/1 out of 10/A bit better than S6 but not by much!

[Lexi]

S8? Grr, how much I hated that season. I actually think I hated this season more than S6! I really did think that it should have ended with S7, the idea that they could move on with their lives could really have started a spin off.

First of all, the one person that made the whole season unbearable - Billie. I know some people liked her but the majority really couldn't stand her. It was the fact that she just took over from the Charmed Ones, and how the COs would send her off to do things rather than do it themselves.

Christy, on the otherhand, I liked the idea behind her character but she wasn't exactly evil. If she was, she would have been a warlock, she just had a twisted idea of what was good and bad because she was raised by demons. I didn't like the fact that they vanquished her in the end, she was human and a witch - misguided but not evil - so she shouldn't have been vanquished, they should have found another way to deal with that!

I've got to disagree with Es, I liked the idea of the Triad being able to come back but the problem I had with them is that when they were hooded characters they seemed more evil and mysterious than they did when you could see their faces. I liked the idea that evil can come back and the COs didn't even realise that it could happen and it gave them a chance to face them rather then just knowing about them because Cole vanquished them. I think they should have been the true big bad of the season rather than it all being about Christy.

ANd if they were going to do that, why didn't Chris hug Leo at the end! Also...where was Henry??

Two things that I wondered too. It annoyed me that Chris didn't hug Leo and it made me wonder whether there was something going on in teh future that they hadn't let us know. I wondered for a bit whether there would be a spin off and that would be mentioned. But no, it was just Kernus once again forgetting about little things.
As for Henry, he so should have been in that last scene. If he worried about Paige that much just earlier on that day, when she didn't come home for the night, he would have been there. Again, it was just something else they forgot about!

I will agree with Es that Forever Charmed, as much as it brought closure to the show, it really didn't leave any doors open. Its just a good job that some of us have imaginations to work around it all!

Brad Kern did a "wonderful" job of taking 3 would-be whitelighters and turning them into 3 would-be darklighters who should be burnt on the stake! Thanks, Kern! Thanks a helluva heap! Just thank God for fanfic writers and Virtual Series writers who know how to do things better!!

Definitely agree with that whole statement which is why this is my least favourite season, even over S6!

[jan0009683]

Season 8 was the best season. The last episode was really great!

[temporalcombustion]

Chris not hugging Leo doesn't mean he doesn't love his father, he was already hugging Grams and Phoebe and Coop too I think.

Henry should have been there too and Shannen definatly, but yeah, we knew that would never happen.

If Kern made the Triad the Ultimate Evil and just killed Billie and Christie in 8x21, then he had enough money to ask Shannen. I'm sure she would have wanted to come back for the last episode.

[Lexi]

If Kern made the Triad the Ultimate Evil and just killed Billie and Christie in 8x21, then he had enough money to ask Shannen. I'm sure she would have wanted to come back for the last episode.

I've got to disagree, I still don't think she would have come back. What would have been nice though was for some of the photos of Prue in the final montage, even just that one of Patty with young Prue and young Piper, it really was as if she was just forgotten about.

Chris not hugging Leo doesn't mean he doesn't love his father, [/qupte]

I never said that he didn't love him, I just said that there may have been something going on in the future that would mean Chris would not want to go near Leo, maybe something like Leo had died and Chris was still hurt by it....but we all know from the final scene that that isn't possible but it was just a theory. I would have thought that after the whole "I hate my father" that we had in S6 and the whole of Leo trying to make it up to Chris, they would have shown Chris and Leo hug....but no, all of that was completely forgotten about. There was just no consistency and it annoyed the hell out of me.

The idea of The Charmed Ones having to battle against two witches - one turned from a young age - was interesting but the way they handled it was completely wrong. As I've already said, Christy was good, just misguided and the shouldn't have killed her.

[Dom]

Ok, Esmerelda, I understand that you disliked season eight, but the way you executed your argument made me want to cringe. It seemed VERY immature. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion. I also hated season 8, but some of what you said didn't rub me the right way. Leo was never Piper's errand boy. She was just protective of him. If you were fighting the forces of evil, with powers beyond all comprehension, wouldn't you want you spouse, who has NO power at all, to be somewhere else? And Piper using her power for personal gain? Please, there wasn't enough money in the budget for her to use her powers, let alone use them for personal gain.

Your idea of trying to get Leo's wings back, or sending him back to his own time was just awful. If Piper had done that, it would have erased about eight years worth of character building. The whole point of Piper/Leo was that he went through all these problems, magical and normal, to stay with Piper. Making him a whitelighter again would ruin the WHOLE point of season seven. Sending him back to his own time is an even worse idea, as that would ruin the whole point of seven seasons worth of love between to very pivotal characters.

And worst of all, the only way that Piper would agreee to fight evil was if they'd freeze her hubby! THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR DESTINY--TO FIGHT EVIL, YOU SELFISH, SELF-CENTERED B!TCH! You did one sh!tty job of leading the Charmed Ones! Prue would be SOOOO disappointed in you!

Did you even watch season eight? Piper fought evil regardless, but Leo was about to die, and the only way of saving him was to freeze him in an ice chamber. She was doing her destiny regardless. Piper wasn't supposed to lead the COs. Yeah, she was supposed to be the most powerful, but they were supposed to be equal in most aspects, so that they could summon the power of three. The whole 'Prue would be SOOOO disappointed in you!" part i'm not even going to try to make an argument for. I just didn't like that sentence. Heh.


I find the whole 'Chris didn't hug Leo' thing to be people nit-picking at Charmed, either trying to create a horrible season even worse, or going along with other people to look cool. Either way, I feel this shouldn't cause a huge commotion, as it did.

[Lexi]

Ok, I wasn't going to reply, since its really late where I am, but I know I wouldn't be able to sleep if I don't reply and get some things off my chest.

First of all, and I know Es can back her own arguments up, but I just want to say it. I don't see the way Es backed her argument up as immature. She says what she *really* thinks and backs it up with something. You say you hated S8 too, then what didn't you like about it? Rather than picking at what other people say, say what you didn't like.

I also saw Leo as Piper's errand boy, it wasn't just Piper trying to keep him out of harms way. When she wanted him out of the way of a fight, she would tell him, but most times she just got him to do jobs that really, she was just too lazy to do herself. She never spent any time with her kids, always leaving it to Leo or Victor, and the only things she really did around the house was cook, which we never really saw her do much of in S8, and battle demons when she really had* to.

Yes, the only way they could save Leo was to freeze him, I was happy for him to die in S8! But Piper made this big commotion about him dying, she called the Avatars and the Elders to meet each other to find out why Leo had to die and then called the Angel of Destiny because she wouldn't just let things take their course. From S6 onwards, the COs became more and more selfish than ever before. Yes, they had rights to wanting something normal in their lives, but to demand from the Angel of Destiny to freeze Leo just so he wouldn't die...? Wasn't that going towards personal gain in a way? It wasn't a spell or using their powers, no, but it was a link from their magic. The way Piper and Phoebe had become in the later seasons of Charmed, Prue would have been disappointed in them!

Finally, the whole 'Chris didn't hug Leo' thing...that was simply a comment from people that I felt I needed to back it up in a way in a second post. Did it really cause a huge commotion - apart from the one that you're making it into? It wasn't me trying to be 'cool', I have no reason to try to be 'cool' over the Internet, if people don't like me on here for being me then that's fine. I don't know anybody on here, except for talking to people in posts about something Charmed related or maybe another show, or just a general chit chat thread. Just to let you know, Chris not hugging Leo really did make me question a few things the first time I watched that episode, and that was a couple of years before I joined this board and met most of the people on here.

Anyway, I know a lot of that may have seemed rude and I don't mean for it to come off that way. As I said earlier, there were a few things that I needed to say before I go to bed otherwise I knew it would be running through my head all night.

[atlan]

Apr 16, 2009 23:42:43 GMT Lexi said:

Ok, I wasn't going to reply, since its really late where I am, but I know I wouldn't be able to sleep if I don't reply and get some things off my chest.

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First of all, and I know Es can back her own arguments up, but I just want to say it. I don't see the way Es backed her argument up as immature. She says what she *really* thinks and backs it up with something. You say you hated S8 too, then what didn't you like about it? Rather than picking at what other people say, say what you didn't like.

I also saw Leo as Piper's errand boy, it wasn't just Piper trying to keep him out of harms way. When she wanted him out of the way of a fight, she would tell him, but most times she just got him to do jobs that really, she was just too lazy to do herself. She never spent any time with her kids, always leaving it to Leo or Victor, and the only things she really did around the house was cook, which we never really saw her do much of in S8, and battle demons when she really had* to.

2 Yes, the only way they could save Leo was to freeze him, I was happy for him to die in S8! But Piper made this big commotion about him dying, she called the Avatars and the Elders to meet each other to find out why Leo had to die and then called the Angel of Destiny because she wouldn't just let things take their course. From S6 onwards, the COs became more and more selfish than ever before. Yes, they had rights to wanting something normal in their lives, but to demand from the Angel of Destiny to freeze Leo just so he wouldn't die...? Wasn't that going towards personal gain in a way? It wasn't a spell or using their powers, no, but it was a link from their magic. The way Piper and Phoebe had become in the later seasons of Charmed, Prue would have been disappointed in them!

Finally, the whole 'Chris didn't hug Leo' thing...that was simply a comment from people that I felt I needed to back it up in a way in a second post. Did it really cause a huge commotion - apart from the one that you're making it into? It wasn't me trying to be 'cool', I have no reason to try to be 'cool' over the Internet, if people don't like me on here for being me then that's fine. I don't know anybody on here, except for talking to people in posts about something Charmed related or maybe another show, or just a general chit chat thread. Just to let you know, Chris not hugging Leo really did make me question a few things the first time I watched that episode, and that was a couple of years before I joined this board and met most of the people on here.

Anyway, I know a lot of that may have seemed rude and I don't mean for it to come off that way. As I said earlier, there were a few things that I needed to say before I go to bed otherwise I knew it would be running through my head all night.

1 No sorry Forget/Regret has every right to disagree with what Es says.

2 You miss the point. To kill Leo to motivate Piper to fight when she was already fighting was both stupid and evil. As was holding him hostage until the battle. Than allowing Phoebe and Paige to have their men, (and letting the Elders send Coop for pets sake) was the height of hypocrisy.

[Lexi]

Yes, Forget/Regret does have every right to disagree, that's fair enough but it just annoyed me that he/she (sorry, don't know which you are :s) would disagree but then still say he/she hated S8. I really want to know why he/she hated S8. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I (for one) would like to know his/her opinion on S8, not *just* on what other people have already said.

Was she already fighting? I don't remember an episode when she would just go and help an innocent, unless one came directly to her and effected her in some way. I don't remember either Piper or Phoebe doing that, to be honest. Run, Piper, Run I don't think Piper would have helped if it wasn't for the fact that she was jailed because of who she looked like. Desperate Housewitches she was a jealous mother and yes, her instincts were right, but if it wasn't for hiding her identity and pretending to be a second cousin to Wyatt would she have gotten so jealous and would she have gone out of her way to see if the other mother was possessed or not? I can't think of any others. If you do have some from S8 that disgree with this, then fair enough go for it and I'll back down. If I'm proven wrong then I'll admit it and back down but right now, you tell me if Piper was already fighting and without Leo around for her whining about how he was gone and how she wanted him back, would she have continued to fight to save and protect innocents?

[atlan]

Apr 17, 2009 12:06:46 GMT Lexi said:

Yes, Forget/Regret does have every right to disagree, that's fair enough but it just annoyed me that he/she (sorry, don't know which you are :s) would disagree but then still say he/she hated S8. I really want to know why he/she hated S8. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I (for one) would like to know his/her opinion on S8, not *just* on what other people have already said.

Was she already fighting? I don't remember an episode when she would just go and help an innocent, unless one came directly to her and effected her in some way. I don't remember either Piper or Phoebe doing that, to be honest. Run, Piper, Run I don't think Piper would have helped if it wasn't for the fact that she was jailed because of who she looked like. Desperate Housewitches she was a jealous mother and yes, her instincts were right, but if it wasn't for hiding her identity and pretending to be a second cousin to Wyatt would she have gotten so jealous and would she have gone out of her way to see if the other mother was possessed or not? I can't think of any others. If you do have some from S8 that disgree with this, then fair enough go for it and I'll back down. If I'm proven wrong then I'll admit it and back down but right now, you tell me if Piper was already fighting and without Leo around for her whining about how he was gone and how she wanted him back, would she have continued to fight to save and protect innocents?

The problem is that there is so much to dislike about S8.

On your second point Piper did(along with her sisters of course) fight to save innocents in Malice in Wonderland. Also she did agree(even though I consider it Phoebe's insane idea) to be infected by the disease in Hulkus Pocus.

Here are my points about the whole Angel of Destiny thing.

1 Apparently she oversees the elders and they are pretty incompetent which reflect poorly on her.
2 She also is over the Avatars who the Elders were trying destroy in season 7. Now if under Obama the US army and Marine corps went to war with each other and he did nothing about it he would be impeached and go down as our worst president ever. Yet that appears to be exactly what the AOD did in S7.
3 She has the idea to kill Leo so the COs will win the final battle. However killing an innocent man for a "greater good" requires a lot of convincing. This isn't the Middle ages with the divine rights of kings anymore. Moreover since the COs won without Leo being dead she was proven wrong.

Given all of that why would anyone believe the AOD is correct in thinking that Leo needs to be put on ice for Piper to be motivated? Would she let B&C kill her if Leo was there? I don't buy that for a minute.

Was it supposed to turn Piper into Sherlock Holmes so she would figure things out sooner? If so it didn't work.

Was it supposed to make Piper paranoid and trigger happy so that she would kill B&C sooner? This is possible but doesn't seem like a good plan to me. And it didn't play out that way.

Finally look at the start of S4 and Piper's reactions to Prue's death. Her reactions then do not indicate that taking a loved one away will be beneficial. If anything it indicates that the AOD was risking causing Piper a nervous breakdown or some other sort of mental problem.

In conclusion I think the AOD was even less competent than the Elders. Maxwell Smart has a better chance of being right and he is a parody/comedy character.

[Nerf]

When S8 first aired, I admit that I didn't really like it. During the showing of "Desperate Housewitches" I, for the first time ever while watching a new episode, felt like I would rather be doing something else. HOWEVER. My views have now changed. I think why I really didn't like it before was because I knew the show was ending. I knew it was its last season and then that was it. And during this season they spent a lot of time on a new blonde girl and her sister.

But now that it is over and I have stepped back and looked at it with a clear mind, and I have rewatched the episodes... I like it. I really do. And I find myself rewatching episodes from S8 a lot. Much more so than I rewatch episodes from S1-3 (but I have always liked rewatching episodes from the Paige era more) and even S4, which is odd, because it is my favorite season. Sure, S8 is different. Sure, the characters have some flaws. But they're human, they should. And when I look at the season arc, I think it is very well done, especially the lead up to the end. Having the final threat be humans, not demons. And have those other humans be sisters themselves, having the same bond as the Halliwells. Sisters vs sisters? It's perfect. Not everything was executed the best, there were always problems and mistakes, but I still love that arc and think it is the best one they have done since the second half of S4.

Other things I enjoy about S8... the look of it. The manor was just bathed in this warm glow a lot of the time, which I loved. I just thought the lighting was great this season. Another thing I loved was that Leo was gone for a good portion of it. I have never liked him that much, so it was nice to see him gone for awhile and I was actually then happy when he came back.

I also don't blame some of the problems I did have on Kern. Sure, he did make some mistakes, but he's also human. And the biggest problems I had were not his fault. Like having a guy around for Phoebe to date for six episodes. That was the network's doing, forcing them to have a "promotable hunk" every six episodes. Luckily, they go Ivan Sergei because of that and were able to get him for nine episodes. Even though the relationship between them was a little rushed (understandably), it still worked well and I thought he and Paige were great together.

Also, if the show had ended with S7 (which I would have hated. That would not have been a proper ending, not even having them be themselves at the end) I would not have gotten some episodes that I now really enjoy and love to watch. "Still Charmed and Kicking", "Rewitched", "12 Angry Zen", "Gone With The Witches." And that's just naming a few. Yes, there were problems with this season and there are things I still get angry at. However, I now thoroughly enjoy this season and without it I wouldn't have gotten many episodes that I now really love.

Last thing, I think we should try something. Everyone here is being so negative and I think we need more positivity. So I would like everyone to list three things that they enjoyed about this season. It could be anything. Something funny in a particular episode, a certain scene, maybe a demon you liked. I have already listed things since I really like this season, but I will add more later. But come on, people. This is still Charmed, so there has to be some things you liked about the season. Name three things. And... please don't twist it into something that is actually a negative thing. Like, "The show ended and brought a stop to Kern and his evil, evil ways!" Because I know some of you would do it. Three things that you truly enjoyed.

[Deleted]

It's hard to be positive about a season I hated so much, but I can:

1) Little Wyatt. He stole the whole season.

2) Patty, Grams and Victor. They made "Forever Charmed" watchable.

3) Henry. What a perfect husband for Paige!

[temporalcombustion]

The three things I loved about season 8 was:

1) That there was one
2) Having new characters
3) We finally saw the Manor explode

[Dom]

I don't see the way Es backed her argument up as immature

I don't know, it might be the fact that after about every paragraph she said 'GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR'.
I may have over-reacted a little with the immature thing, but the way she presented herself reminded me of the kind of fan that's always all 'ZOMG! iCaN't Beleibe dat KerN woOd dO sumting lYk dAt!!!!!!!11', so I apologize.

I didn't make anything into a commotion. After that was mentioned, everyone seemed to be like 'I can't believe they didn't hug! That's so wrong! That's his son!" when the probably did hug, it just wasn't shown on screen.

And I would send Leo out to do things to, if I were Piper. I'm sitting, slaving over a hot cauldron, and Leo's not doing anything! He might as well go get some damn milk. Lol. And the reason Leo HAD to be frozen, was so that Piper didn't sit around and cry, like if he had died. She was motivated to get her husband back, no matter what, which put her back in a season 5-ish mind frame again.

I'm a boy. Ha. Definitely an X and a Y chromosome over here.

[atlan]

I liked
1 A lot of Piper scenes and quotes, yin/yang scene with Leo in an early ep, choking and punching Billie, "Don't make me come back there!" to the Zodiac staff and a lot more.
2Henry/Paige
3 I really enjoyed the finale.

[Lexi]

I'm struggling with three, if I'm honest. I can think of two straight away though.

1. Henry - I loved him so much and wished they'd have brought him in at an earlier episode

2. The *idea* of Billie and Christy - a witch that was taken from being young as a way to kill the Charmed Ones, but I never saw her completely evil. Christy wasn't a warlock but I did like the idea to it.

3. this is where it gets hard...I think it has to be the Patty/Victor scene in the finale, the one where Victor tells Patty that they're divorced. That took me a while to think of!

[Nerf]

Something ka-razy happened a few nights ago. I watched "Generation Hex"... and I liked it!

I think it was the first time I had watched it in full since it first aired. Now since then I have really not liked that episode and thought it was the big weak point in the (in my opinion) great arc of the final episodes. However, now I see that it is actually a strong, important part. Crazy, yes, but hear me out.

The strongest part of this episode is Christy. She has a job to do, given to her by the Triad. But she is back with Billie and gets to see her parents again. Her heart begins to soften and she becomes confused. Marnette played that very well with her inner turmoil that was going on. I think that if her parents had lived that she would have turned back to the good side. However, they were killed. The scene where the two sisters find the bodies of their parents... that scene actually made me quite emotional. I didn't cry, but it just struck an emotional chord. One that hadn't happened with this episode the first time around.

Anyway, this is what pushed Christy past the point of now return and made her powerful, as shown in the final scene. That scene is just amazing, where she punches the Triad member through the chest. Fricken' awesome. And her mixed look of shock, anger, and fear as she stared at the blood covering her arm... wow. This episode just shows even more what a complex character Christy is. Recently I have come to like her and Billie a lot more, which has made me create a bigger, stronger story line for them in my VS9, and this episode gave me a great idea for Christy which I can't wait to enact.

Piper also had a strong part in this episode. Both her sisters have moved out, her husband is a popsicle. Makes her overcompensate with Billie and Christy. But as for the students (who yeah, weren't that great) and the demons, it actually pushed Piper and Leo's relationship forward. How? Even with Leo not there, Piper had to learn to trust him. Although, she came to that realization from a creepy performance by the dead eyed Wyatt. *shudder* Nope, I'm not really past my dislike of that kid.

Phoebe's plot... while it's been done with getting her to believe in love again, it was done well. It was a good thing for being near the end of the series to see all her past loves again. And actually to travel to the past and do a thing like in "Cat House" with the blending of the scenes... that was cool. Sure, Phoebe didn't first meet Cole at the college, but we all know why we couldn't see the real first scene, since Prue was there. I really liked seeing Cole's vanquish scene. I'm sure Paige told her what had happened, but this was her first time seeing it and Alyssa played that well. She looked really hurt and we could see how much pain that caused her and that those feelings were still there. This does make me wonder, though, how it was possible for them to go back and see that, since that was an alternate world. But I am a believer that Coop can travel to different planes and different worlds, so yeah.

Other things I really liked about this episode:

Candor (the Triad member) and seeing how powerful he was. Just flinging that Noxon demon against the wall and then it looked like he was crushing his heart. Then he just sent them both away with a wave of his hand. And later when Christy sets him on fire he just rolls his eyes. That was great.

The Noxon demons. They were pretty interesting and what had been done to them was horrible. It makes me wonder... Was Leo in the right when he held them captive and basically tortured them by allowing his students to vanquish them over and over? It sounds pretty sick and horrible to me. Those demons had every right to be pissed off and want revenge.

The music. Particularly the scene in the attic when the Noxons first attack.

The special effects. Most of them were pretty dang good. The fireballs the Noxons threw, the potion explosions, the different angle of Cole's vanquish, and of course the awesome vanquish of Candor at the end. I'll just forget about that crappy glowy force field around Phoebe's heart and Paige's orbing.

There were still a couple of "eh" things in this episode, and Billie's hair really does suck (though it isn't as bad as I remember it), but overall I really like this episode now. It keeps happening with so many S8 episodes that I didn't like, but then I watch them more and they really grow on me. Now this one has joined that bunch and is a strong, important episode that really kick starts the beginning of the end. I never thought I would like this episode. Crazy!

[Dark Witch.]

I have liked S8 a lot lately as well, with being a new Billie fan. Anyways, I agree that episode was really well done, and the arc of Charmed actually was good. For starting season 6, they actually started having big bads, and in S4 as well. Before it seemed to be all about just random witch episodes, which I liked when they made the arc with Billie. Anyways, with response to Generation Hex, I agree 100% with you Nerf, the episode was great, and as you described it, I understood more of that episode actually, and brought me to understand the inner meanign of the episode more. Thanks!

[David]

I've been watching a little bit of season eight recently, mostly episodes form the back end of the season and I have been enjoying it more than I ever did in the past. I have always been a Billie fan and I loved her character and her storyline, but I didn't realise just how much I liked the Billie/Christy/Triad storyline.

It was nicely plotted, for the audience as well as the characters. It did get a little predictable here and there, but it came together really nicely in the finale. Which, speaking of the finale, I have rediscovered my love for it. I loved how Piper got a lot of focus, as did Grams and Patty as well because those three were my favourites, well except for Paige Admittedly, there were things that I'd have done differently but overall it ended the season (and the show) pretty well.