Temporal Death
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Post by Temporal Death on May 9, 2010 6:22:00 GMT
He was never vanquished, just trapped in his plane. You know, now that I think about it, maybe that's why there were so many unvanquished demons/warlocks in the Book that the CO later faced?
And the spell is only reversed once the entire thing is erased. So say, if a demon is let loose because of Abraxas' doing, and once the Book returns to the CO, they'll need to reuse the spell/instructions in the Book to re-vanquish them, which they have done over the course of the seasons.
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Post by Criminally Vulgar on May 9, 2010 7:23:42 GMT
"A Spell to Invoke the Power of Three" spell (not Dominus Trinus)It's called "Dominus Trinus" when it's shown in the series premiere, and as you already know, there's (at least) three different pages that were used for that spell. And even if I'm wrong, you still knew which spell I was talking about, and that's the main point. Geeze louise. You know, now that I think about it, maybe that's why there were so many unvanquished demons/warlocks in the Book that the CO later faced? Exactly what I was thinking.  Anyway, I made it up to The Painted World, having just watched Morality Bites this afternoon. Although I still feel like 2x02 was just a "don't ___, or ___ will happen" kind of episode, everything else was perfect. I even like how they threw in warnings to Prue about her personal life, which I never really noticed before. Haha, I remember when I first watched 2x02 and Prue showed up with her hair, I thought it was white, not blonde (which I had always perceived to be yellow, not so platinum). I remember thinking "so does that mean when I get old, my hair is gonna turn blonde...? :S" lol Ahh, childhood. As for 2x03, only the second episode with Jenny and still no progress. She just seems like an annoyance. -_- "I already know about sex, but since I'm here, let's hang out for a couple of hours " And right after her whole "can I borrow your phone! it's an emergency!!" incident, I'd have to say that she is quite possibly the rudest little girl in the world. Heh, it's funny, because when the episodes originally aired, the child/teen characters were older than me-- even 2x02's Melinda! And now I'm older than every single one of them! Haww  Anyway, back to The Painted World (btw, kinda lame title, IMO), although I LOVED smarty-pants Phoebe, I can't believe they would allow her to cast a "smart spell", which was clearly for personal gain, even if she said otherwise. Remember all the other spells the girls cast that seemed "personal gain-y" but they convinced themselves it was okay, and it ended up backfiring? Well unlike those spells, this one didn't backfire at all. I find it hard to believe that all you have to say is "PS, there will be no personal gain" after a spell, and there are ever-so-conveniently no consequences. I also couldn't stop laughing at Malcolm's ridiculous demon voice. I don't know, it's just something about the effect they use for the demonic voices, it's always so random too, like Jeremy's "AND NOW I WANT YOURS" in the pilot, or Kali's "HELLo aviivA!" in Fourth Sister, it's just so silly, lol XD |
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Glenn
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Post by Glenn on May 9, 2010 9:19:18 GMT
"A Spell to Invoke the Power of Three" spell (not Dominus Trinus)It's called "Dominus Trinus" when it's shown in the series premiere, and as you already know, there's (at least) three different pages that were used for that spell. And even if I'm wrong, you still knew which spell I was talking about, and that's the main point. Geeze louise. Sorry, that's just me... when it comes to the Book of Shadows, everything has to be right. Just ignore it. And there are three pages :-p (Unaired Pilot page, Dominus Trinus and the Witch Trial one) Anyway, back to The Painted World (btw, kinda lame title, IMO), although I LOVED smarty-pants Phoebe, I can't believe they would allow her to cast a "smart spell", which was clearly for personal gain, even if she said otherwise. Remember all the other spells the girls cast that seemed "personal gain-y" but they convinced themselves it was okay, and it ended up backfiring? Well unlike those spells, this one didn't backfire at all. I find it hard to believe that all you have to say is "PS, there will be no personal gain" after a spell, and there are ever-so-conveniently no consequences. I think the Smart Spell was allowed, since she needed it to read the latin pages on Nell. The Elders probably knew she was going to need to read those pages, so they allowed her to cast the spell. That reminds me, why were there latin pages on Nell? I love the pages and latin, but it doesn't seem to make any sense. The entry clearly is written during or after the '20s. |
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LadyDisdain - Liane
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Post by LadyDisdain - Liane on May 9, 2010 13:37:13 GMT
Anyway, back to The Painted World (btw, kinda lame title, IMO), although I LOVED smarty-pants Phoebe, I can't believe they would allow her to cast a "smart spell", which was clearly for personal gain, even if she said otherwise. Remember all the other spells the girls cast that seemed "personal gain-y" but they convinced themselves it was okay, and it ended up backfiring? Well unlike those spells, this one didn't backfire at all. I find it hard to believe that all you have to say is "PS, there will be no personal gain" after a spell, and there are ever-so-conveniently no consequences. I think the reason it didn't 'backfire' as such is because Phoebe needed to learn herself that casting a smart spell wasn't the way to go about getting a job. OR, the writers just totally didn't think about it, which is quite possible.  |
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Post by Criminally Vulgar on May 14, 2010 21:28:44 GMT
Still going through season two (I just finished They're Everywhere last night), and there's actually a lot of things that have been bothering me. The main thing was the amount of innocents that were lost, especially in The Old Black Magic. Tuatha fed the two men who released her to her snake (2), then she killed the elderly woman who had her wand (3), she later took a man's heart right out of his body for use in taking away Prue's powers (4), and then took another two hearts for use in taking away Piper and Phoebe's powers (6). That's at least SIX innocents (I say "at least" because Tuatha was MIA for long periods of time between scenes; she might have killed other innocents during those times). Most are understandable, such as the two that were snake-fed, and the three that had their hearts taken, but the lady who had the wand is inexcusable. Prue was there, so she was well aware of what happened. Instead of trying to do something, she just took the wand, and then gave it to Jack.
And although the other innocents' deaths are understandable, they don't go unexcused. For example, the three people making the documentary (who had their hearts taken) were filming everything they saw with video cameras-- cameras which were not confiscated upon their deaths. Three dead bodies, lost in the woods, heartless, with video evidence showing their death and killers. How did this ever go unexplained??!
There was also an entire hospital of lost innocents back in They're Everywhere. This one is a little different though, since the final scene showed that, with the vanquishing of the Collector demons, Phoebe, Eric, and Eric's father all survived (lack of memory, but still). This basically implies that all of their other victims survived too, but the fact that the sisters did absolutely nothing about it just really bothered me.
And there was also that scene where Phoebe and Eric destroyed the Akashic Records in the museum. First of all, how is there no security in that room? Second, even if there was no security in that room, there was bound to be some, SOMEwhere-- how were Phoebe and Eric able to escape? And third (and possibly most importantly), how the hell are there no consequences for what they did? Any museum housing something as precious and historically significant as the Akashic Records is bound to at LEAST have security tapes, if not physical security guards. It just doesn't make any sense, and although I never really noticed it before, it really upsets me now.
Speaking of Eric, he is definitely the one that got away. Phoebe and Eric had such amazing chemistry, and especially given the fact that Phoebe was so... alone throughout this season... it's just so sad. :/
Back to The Old Black Magic, I believe that this episode had the only scene in which Jenny was actually good for something, even though her entrances (on both occasions) were EXTREMELY annoying. How rude is it to just walk into your neighbor's house? Using the back door, no less! >_< But given this was her last episode, I found it was very... concluding. She was finally given a purpose, she was finally shown to have been getting along with her uncle Dan, and she even brought up hers and Phoebe's first conversation, which led to Kyle's revelation. So although I still hate her, I'm glad the writers wrote her final episode well.
One last thing that I don't understand: how the hell are Phoebe and the Succubus connected? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I only recall Phoebe saying that, because of her gift, she has some kind of psychic connection, but that's basically it. Honestly, the connection just seems so random, and looking back at it now, the whole episode just feels like an excuse to turn Shannen Doherty into a man and show Alyssa Milano getting all hot and bothered.
Don't get me wrong though, there were a lot of good, sweet, funny (oftentimes HILARIOUS, LOL kind), and powerful scenes, but the things I mentioned above just really bothered me.
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Glenn
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Post by Glenn on May 15, 2010 0:02:06 GMT
Prue arrived to late to save Betty, the old lady who had Tuatha's wand. Prue just flung open the door when she exploded.
The tapes could have been erased by Tuatha later or cleaned up by some kind of magic if not the Cleaners (not to start a whole discussion on them). Leo and the Elders could've taken care of it even. The bodies... not sure if anyone would find them. It seemed like a deserted place.
The people in the hospital were killed, so they weren't saved once the Collectors were killed. Phoebe, Eric and Ben (his father) were still alive since only there memories were taken away. Although I doubt that the Collectors had killed everyone. Maybe just a few nurses and doctors.
The scene were the Akashic Records plate was destroyed bothered me as well. There should've been at least a security guard or something. But just like the video tapes of TOBM, the tapes from that roam could have been messed with by Leo, etc....
Phoebe and the Succubus' connection could have been made by the Elders. They have been known to do such things. You can't expect them to give this whole explanation of her connection, or to even find out why, they just know that the connection exists because the CO's have to save those innocent men. BTW, was anybody else grossed out by Darryl's new partner in that episode? I'm glad the Succubus did her thing on him...
Anyway, I think it was a good idea of the writers to have so many innocents killed. Would you rather see a show where they can save everyone at the end? (I hate it when they can save everyone in a movie or tv show, and just when you think someone dies, there happens to be a cure no one knew off). I also shows us that they can't save everyone (like they mention themselves sometimes).
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Post by Criminally Vulgar on May 15, 2010 21:19:13 GMT
Okay, the Cleaners I would believe, but the theory that no one would find the bodies, that's ridiculous. Those people had to have had family, or friends, or someone would would notice they were missing, and there would be search parties, and whether the area was deserted or not, they would find them eventually. Yes, but the fact that innocent lives were still taken; that doesn't sit well with me. Again, it's the fact that it was never addressed, especially because they were dealing with something so life changing as historical documents. Yes, but without an explanation, the connection seems completely random, weakening the episode's significance in the series. Prue arrived to late to save Betty, the old lady who had Tuatha's wand. Prue just flung open the door when she exploded. Anyway, I think it was a good idea of the writers to have so many innocents killed. Would you rather see a show where they can save everyone at the end? (I hate it when they can save everyone in a movie or tv show, and just when you think someone dies, there happens to be a cure no one knew off). I also shows us that they can't save everyone (like they mention themselves sometimes). Okay. I understand that they can't save every innocent, and I agree that if they did, it would just be cheesy and all that crap, but it's just the fact that the girls had absolutely no remorse over all of the innocents they had lost. In those three episodes alone, I counted over 10 innocents lost, none of which were ever addressed after they were killed. That just really bothers me. |
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